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Dacomos · Apr 25, 2010, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Hi.
Im another dude complaining about paragon.

Well, as i keep hearing, imbagon is only paragon build worth playing in further pve.
The thing is, assassin can do imbagon job done AND call for discord kills.

[Assassin Promise] [You move like a dwarf] [Save Yourselves] [For Great Justice] [Critical Eye] [Critical Agility] [Way of the master] [critical defence -optional]

critical agility critical eye and way of the master always up

Hex, condition, For great justice, 4 spear hits and SY! is ready.
After killing mob [For great justice] is recharged.

Tried it and i have no problems with keeping SY! up all the time, most of the times its recharged in less than 4 seconds.

So imbasin>imbagon.

Also, imbasin dont have crappy -20 armor. It can do imba job with 70+15+25 = 110 armor + perma 75% block chance.

Is it anything new that paragon sux? ;p
If ONE thing paragon was good at is taken by Assassin, whats left?

@down im aware of that, but playing imbasin is just easy, almost brainless, 4 skills precast, and 4 skills spamming ;p
Imbagon requires a little timing so you cant play drunk.

Elephantaliste · Apr 25, 2010, 06:20 PM // 18:20

you can use it with any primary prof as Barrager, 100B, etc.

But you probably dont really need SY in discord teams.

DigitalFear · Apr 25, 2010, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Jagged Strike, Fox Fangs, Death Blossom, SY.

sup.

Popeye1906 · Apr 25, 2010, 07:11 PM // 19:11

It always make me laugh to see people ''calling discord''.

Any profession with any skill bar or with no skill bar at all can ping a target.

maxxfury · Apr 25, 2010, 07:22 PM // 19:22

js+ff+db+sy+fgj will keep up sy better and will still output stupid amounts of damage..as DigitalFear said.

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Originally Posted by Popeye1906

It always make me laugh to see people ''calling discord''.

Any profession with any skill bar or with no skill bar at all can ping a target.

An empty bar or a bar with <add random skills here> wont have the on demand cond+hex thats as spammable as ap+ymlad. And leaving the heroes to apply their own conds+hexs severely slows down the process. and the whole point of disco is spike spike spike with as little downtime between each as possible.

Sankt Hallvard · Apr 25, 2010, 07:26 PM // 19:26

How about you move this to riverside and start a QQ thread petitioning for paragon to be the next class to get some "love". I hear mesmers are getting some buffs now and dervish is next in line. But after that it's all up for grabs. Though eles need a buff as well since HM makes them do puny dmg. And smite monks. And probably rangers too since mesmers are now better than them.

Gift3d · Apr 25, 2010, 07:40 PM // 19:40

before getting all righteous and whiny, you should get a better idea of how guild wars works. you can slap SY on a bunch of different classes and make it work, i do it all the time, but none of them will be able to maintain it indefinitely 100% of the time, as well as provide a party-wide unconditional percentage of damage reduction. besides, the dps on that build is utter poop.

Also, what popeye said. AP isn't required to ping a target. An elite skill just to make use of one skill, YMLAD? Oh puhleez, who are you trying to kid.

Dre · Apr 25, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

An elite skill just to make use of one skill, YMLAD? Oh puhleez, who are you trying to kid.

It's also used to recharge FGJ (at least, that would make sense)

WarcryOfTruth · Apr 25, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dacomos

Hi.
Im another dude complaining about paragon.

Well, as i keep hearing, imbagon is only paragon build worth playing in further pve.
The thing is, assassin can do imbagon job done AND call for discord kills.

[Assassin Promise] [You move like a dwarf] [Save Yourselves] [For Great Justice] [Critical Eye] [Critical Agility] [Way of the master] [critical defence -optional]

critical agility critical eye and way of the master always up

Hex, condition, For great justice, 4 spear hits and SY! is ready.
After killing mob [For great justice] is recharged.

Tried it and i have no problems with keeping SY! up all the time, most of the times its recharged in less than 4 seconds.

So imbasin>imbagon.

Also, imbasin dont have crappy -20 armor. It can do imba job with 70+15+25 = 110 armor + perma 75% block chance.

Is it anything new that paragon sux? ;p
If ONE thing paragon was good at is taken by Assassin, whats left?

@down im aware of that, but playing imbasin is just easy, almost brainless, 4 skills precast, and 4 skills spamming ;p
Imbagon requires a little timing so you cant play drunk.

Being an Imbasin gives +100 armor party wide, yes. But you are forgetting that There's Nothing To Fear on a Paragon's bar gives another 35% damage mitigation. Which stacks close to 90-93% less damage for the party. The paragon does not need to cause any damage, nor does it really need any IAS. But, Paragons have other uses, you have to figure them out. I use my paragon VERY effectively, and I don't imbagon. I won't say they need a buff or a nerf, because personally the builds I use work well, but still make the game challenging (to me, that = win, having a build that is effective, but doesn't guarantee success).

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Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

But you probably dont really need SY in discord teams.

LOL, what, you'll have your minions soak up damage for you? I don't use Discord, I find it inefficient compared to what I use. Think I'm only trying to troll, PM me and I can send you screenshots of my heroes and henchmen VQing areas in times faster then 2 players + 6 Discords can. Back on topic, I have been highly confused as to why Discord teams are so popular, I've used one once, it was slow and if I hadn't been running my Imbagon build at the time, it would have been an epic phail. Maybe it was just a fluke experience, and if so maybe someone can help me see why discord is so popular... but, my statement stands, that Discord without some sort of mitigation like that won't work, until I am proven otherwise

Popeye1906 · Apr 25, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by maxxfury

js+ff+db+sy+fgj will keep up sy better and will still output stupid amounts of damage..as DigitalFear said.

An empty bar or a bar with <add random skills here> wont have the on demand cond+hex thats as spammable as ap+ymlad. And leaving the heroes to apply their own conds+hexs severely slows down the process. and the whole point of disco is spike spike spike with as little downtime between each as possible.

Glad to see that you agree with me.

@WarcryOfTruth

DiscoWay is popular because it is mindless. Just drag your heroes from mob to mob, watch stuff die.

WarcryOfTruth · Apr 25, 2010, 09:14 PM // 21:14

But... not in my experience, that's what I'm saying, I don't see how stuff dies... it took forever in the party I was in

Popeye1906 · Apr 25, 2010, 10:05 PM // 22:05

DiscoWay is an all around good team build that any class can run with success, you just gotta know how to tweak it for certain areas.

Frankly, i prefer to go with a Ele Order, a Rit double Bomber, and a jagged Bomber necro. I some time switch the necro for a para hero.

To the OP, just have 1 hex and 1 condition on your bar and you're in business.

I run disco on my ranger and i go with BHA + Epidemic and i let my curse necro take care of the hexing.

Yes BHA + Epidemic is a sub bar, but it synergize well with DiscoWay

Eragon Zarroc · Apr 25, 2010, 10:29 PM // 22:29

sigh, a warrior can maintain SY better than that with a d-slash build. Imbagons can maintain permanent SY. Imbagons have there's nothing to fear (when combined with SY = 90% dmg reduction). and paragons can easily apply a condition to a target. ur discord necros can easily apply a hex. so basically ur sin is sub-par. good try.

Ruscour · Apr 25, 2010, 10:51 PM // 22:51

A/W
10+1 crit
11+1+1 daggers
10 tactics

ascan, jagged strike, fox fangs, death blossom, critical eye, fear me, soldier's stance, save yourselves

bro, i just called discord, maintained SY, tanked, and did a buttload of damage.

Popeye1906 · Apr 25, 2010, 11:06 PM // 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruscour

A/W
10+1 crit
11+1+1 daggers
10 tactics

ascan, jagged strike, fox fangs, death blossom, critical eye, fear me, soldier's stance, save yourselves

bro, i just called discord, maintained SY, tanked, and did a buttload of damage.

Thank you for providing some of your experience to back up my arguments.

Skyy High · Apr 26, 2010, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Imbagon has TNTF! This does not. Imbagons can keep SY! up 100% of the time, same as this. There's no benefit for being able to spam SY! more than once every 4-6 seconds (save for e-gain for the imbagon, obviously). Therefore, imbagon > imbasin.

Also, an imbagon will actually deal decent damage. This is a better AP caller build, but believe it or not, not everyone just plays with heroes, and not everyone just plays with discord on their heroes.

Arrogant Bastard · Apr 26, 2010, 02:43 AM // 02:43

I don't think this was mentioned but Paragons usually have excellent positioning to ensure that both the frontline and backline are affected by the shouts.

Either way, running discord on a melee is laughable. Running an AP caller on melee is even worse.

Essence Snow · Apr 26, 2010, 02:50 AM // 02:50

"The word itself is a portmanteau of the words "Imbalanced" and "Paragon." "(wiki) This becomes the case when TntF is added to SY and possibly ToF, resuilting in excess of 90% dmg mitigation. Since TntF is linked to the Paragon's primary line they exceed others in this manner and as noted above are positioned better for this type of role.

NerfHerder · Apr 26, 2010, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Even though I know what you are getting at. Imbagon is still superior.(See TNTF). It doesnt hurt to have at least one melee carry SY!, so the imbagon can be rewarded as well. It does undermine having a Imbagon somewhat, but still cant provide the same measure of protection.

Axel Zinfandel · Apr 26, 2010, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Go cap Auspicious Parry with any of your classes, slap SY! on there with a spear, and congrats, you have a perma maintainer of SY!

...But that isn't the point. Imbagon is first and foremost designed to upkeep superior party protection with very little chance of failure. A front-line character will not be able to maintain it as well as a back-line paragon, for numerous reasons.
For one, you rely on enemies for adrenaline. every second spent running from enemy to enemy lowers your efficiency at up-keeping SY!. At range, you have the luxury of quickly switching from target to target (also useful with blocking stances, and switching targets there.)
Secondly, Being a front-line character attracts more aggro to you on top of the fact that your entire team has gained a crap-load more armor than you. While this most often isn't a problem, There's the slight possibility that it can be a problem, and being a back-line character eliminates that.